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william VANGEANCE. ([personal profile] laeradr) wrote2020-10-27 11:24 pm

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"... this is Vangeance. Please leave a message."

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expio: (| clear skies.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-22 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
No; I can't say I'm the sort who would find myself spilling my guts to Admin and theirs, either. I don't think many of us would, to be honest. But...

[ hm. he understands the discomfort, plainly, from the disquieted fidget in his seat. ]

They've altered our memories. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume someone with the ability to take them away could also see whatever they felt they needed to, in the name of their end goal. [ he deeply dislikes this prospect, but he can't deny it existed. ] The 'cycles' here seem to end each time due to the, ah. 'Infection' spreading out of control, or possessing someone whose abilities result in a wipe-out. [ which, understandably, was not ideal for any of them by any stretch of the imagination. ]

From what I understand, these cycles have been going on for a... long time. Some of us have been here from the start of his 'project.' I don't know who, and I don't know how long, but... to think this has been repeating over and over--

[ he cuts himself short; there was no point in dwelling, but he intensely dislikes the thought. were they even making progress? it was impossible to know if they were 'reset' at every failure. ]

...He's resolute. Absolutely certain that what he's doing is right, but... he's lost something. Someone-- family, I'm rather certain. It isn't some... deep-rooted altruism that motivates him. It's pain.

[ his hands around his cup tighten, some. ]

And that frightens me.
expio: ([ resigned.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-22 06:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[ altering memories, manipulating time, manipulating death -- these are all things that should be wholly impossible to Abel's version of reality, but... well. this place disrespected all of that, and apparently his world was in the minority where those boundaries were concerned. he wasn't sure where that left him in the grand scheme of things, but he didn't like it, wherever it was. Vangeance was yet another example of an individual who cemented the idea these were real principles that could have very well happened. it wasn't exactly comforting, but he wasn't looking for comfort.

he gently nudges at his glasses, groping inwardly for focus and putting aside his thoughts and feelings for now. ]


I don't think it's a matter of trust. If anything, I think I'm... something of an annoyance, to him. [ there's a meager and self-deprecating sort of smile to accompany the statement. ] Apparently I've been a pain in his side for quite a while. I have that effect on people, you know? [ though he chuckles, there's little mirth in it. ] Even if I can't remember it, it seems we've talked quite a bit in the past. I guess I end up repeating myself... I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel about that.

[ it sets an uncomfortable twist in his stomach to think about. he'd failed, over and over again. 'we almost lost you.' he doesn't understand what any of it means, and he can't learn from any of his previous mistakes either. ]

But he's resolved himself to death, when all is said and done. He's willing to do anything, use anyone... even his own daughter to see this through. Someone with that resolve-- willing to suffer any cost, is...

[ well. he doesn't need to spell it out, how deeply troubling someone who was willing to die for their convictions, and could expect that price to be paid of others could be. Vangeance isn't the sort of company who needed everything laid out for him. ]
expio: (| reluctance.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-22 08:03 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ...he's unnerved.

something about this has deeply unnerved Vangeance; what's visible of his face is... paler; his hands are trembling before he thinks to hide them from view. but the priest doesn't take these tells as signs of disquiet due to a personal connection with the Admin's conviction; he mistakes it for righteous indignation on behalf of those he'd sacrifice to see his end goals complete. it's a blind optimism, the desire to always see the best in others - both a boon, and a curse.

Abel apologetically drops his gaze into his half-drained teacup, though he's lost his interest in its contents. there's an uneasy ache in his chest, a guilt for choosing to extol unpleasantness over what should've been a light-hearted cup of tea. but for someone of Vangeance's nature, he feels it's important for him to understand the nature of their predicament. someone who would go to great lengths for others... someone who would sacrifice of themselves, without hesitation...

...well. it was only right, for him to know what he was fighting for - and with. whose goals they were all furthering, willingly or otherwise. ]


A threat; I guess you're right. I think he sees me that way, Mr. Vangeance.

[ well, it's time to unknowingly pour a great deal of salt over wounds he's unaware he's laid freshly open. ]

He knows, I won't let him do something so foolish. How could I...? [ it was the Admin's mistake, making his intentions -- playing the 'villain' of this story, of flippantly discussing the end of his life -- known to Abel of all people. ] To throw his life away, especially when there's someone waiting for him, someone who calls him her 'home;' I can't possibly allow that... He's lost something, and... he feels it's broken him. I can understand, even if I wish he didn't know that pain. [ and he wouldn't trivialize it by assuming he knew what it was like, even if Admin made the comparison between them himself. 'broken,' he said. they were different, and that loss was different, he was sure of it. ]

Making the world your enemy-- making yourself your own enemy... betraying those you love to get there... it doesn't matter how righteous your goal. Even if you achieve victory that way, it will be... hollow, at best.

[ yes... it was hollow, and empty, and it razed clean everything in its wake, because... in the end-- ]

You will be hollow. [ just an 'empty shell.' ] And everything you fought for will be gone. Things burn so easily, in that kind of fire... I'd spare him from it, if... I can.
expio: (| and then i dropped my popsicle.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-22 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
[ ...

he studies Vangeance's face, his eyes... the far-away quality to his expression, as if he isn't really here. somewhere else inside himself, seeing something Abel isn't privy to, but he... knows that look. the resignation; the quiet tiredness; the empty sort of smile.

and his heart abruptly sinks directly into his stomach, with suddenness. he wishes he could take it back - that look on the other man's face. he wishes desperately he could logic it away as anything other than what it was.

so then, he too...

...

Abel grimaces, once more finding solace in a vacant stare into his cooling tea. ]


There is no such thing as 'too far gone.'

[ the words are quiet. he realizes that lines have blurred, somewhere in this discussion. and though they're still speaking of Admin, on the surface... these words are no longer about or for that man. ]

No matter how far any of us go down that road, it isn't too late to turn back. Even if we've convinced ourselves there's no alternative, that we're beyond saving... there is always a way back. We may not be able to see it ourselves, Mr. Vangeance. But as long as there is someone out there to reach a hand out for us... even just one single person... we can start over.

[ just as steadfast as Admin's conviction may be to see his end goal to fruition, Abel is equally resolute in this. it isn't an angry conviction, nor one driven by hatred; his is one born out of love. and it wasn't just his own, he carried. it was hers, the one kind enough to have reached out her hand for him, once upon a time. the one who selflessly gave of herself until there was nothing left to give, in hopes of opening his eyes to a truth that had been in front of him his whole life-- ]

Even if we don't believe we deserve that mercy, it's ours to take, regardless.

We just have to be strong enough to accept it.

[ Abel, had not been. and he would do everything he could to be certain others did not make his mistakes. ]
expio: (| lost souls.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-23 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Then... it seems that I'll become quite an annoyance for you, too, Mr. Vangeance.

[ slowly, he forces his hands that have gripped the cup uncomfortably tight as Vangeance spoke to unwind from the glass. it wouldn't do to break it. after a moment to collect himself, he finds himself able to meet the knight's gaze again with apology. ]

There's no way I could ever let you do that. To yourself, or to him.

[ and it has nothing to do with vows of pacifism, or his deep respect for life - though those were, of course, always in the back of his mind. in this case... in this particular situation...

it would be crossing a line neither of them could afford to breach. neither the Admin, or Vangeance. ]


It's easy to say you'll do what needs to be done for the sake of a righteous cause. You sound just like him, in that regard. And... can I fault you? No... I really can't. [ the irony of the situation wasn't lost on him at all. ]

But who's cause is truly righteous, and who determines that? You and me? Him? We should not play God. Not Admin, and not you, either.

[ and should Vangeance try, he would find Abel was very much true to his word, one day. ]
expio: ([ heartfelt.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-23 01:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[ he wonders if it's true - if he wouldn't be considered an annoyance, one day. maybe it simply wasn't in Vangeance's nature to think of him as such. the man was kind in ways Abel could deeply appreciate, even if the knight was unable to see them himself. he truly... likes him. talking with him is pleasant, even if their conversation had taken this darker turn; his heart is in the right place, even if...

...even if it meant he would do things that might put them at odds, one day. it wouldn't be the first time the priest had fought a friend whose best intentions lead them astray.

he leans back in his chair, settling his hands in his lap. blue eyes remain settled on his company; there's no judgment or accusation, and there's certainly no anger - just a quiet plea. there's a softness in his sympathy, concern, that speaks to how strongly he feels for the other man's plight. this went far beyond the island and its inhabitants. Vangeance had resigned himself to a terrible fate, somewhere in his mind; had he already crossed lines he felt there was no coming back from...? ]


...It's alright, you know.

[ the words are gentle. punctuated by a sadness - what had he done to himself, this kind-hearted fool? what had the world done to him for him to feel this way? ]

Even if you've given up on yourself... I won't. I'm a very stubborn man, so... please have faith in me until you can have faith in yourself.
expio: (| observe.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-23 04:49 pm (UTC)(link)
[ the carefully arranged poise, however much it had frayed around the edges, spoke volumes about what Vangeance was thinking. now that he had a better idea - even if just slightly - what was going on behind the other's guarded eyes, the priest was starting to find some sense of understanding. a grip to hold, somewhere to gain purchase hereon out.

but even so... it did little to absolve him of his disquiet. he couldn't pry, now; it wasn't the time or place. one day perhaps, he could find the source of whatever had put this horrible feeling he could feel lurking beneath the surface in the knight. he supposed they both knew he wasn't the sort to give up once he'd found it.

casting it aside for now - however difficult it was; his concern was itching at him, he focused on the present. later; there would be time later... he knew this was a matter that would be dealt with only by being patient and resolute. ]


You want to talk to Admin about this?
expio: (| wayward souls.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-23 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
[ he can definitely appreciate Vangeance's thoughtfulness and foresight; though Abel is hardly worried about his reputation in Admin's eyes - he's rather certain that ship has sailed, considering - he doesn't want any further misunderstandings to worsen their gloomy 'friendship.' offering a small smile of gratitude, he lifts a hand and that habitual gesture - gently prodding at those glasses betrays his mind turning. ]

I appreciate your discretion... but it would feel wrong to deceive him, or to put you in that kind of position. I'm alright with you saying whatever you feel is best, should you talk with him again.

[ Vangeance was not the sort of man to inflame the situation unjustly; he hardly felt the need to police him. and if he were able to speak candidly, that would be best. for both of them. ]

I know I've already asked much of you, but please do me this favor, Mr. Vangeance.

[ he spread his hands, somewhat plaintively. ]

If you reach out, please try your best to see him as more than just the person responsible for bringing us here. He's lost something precious, and while I know that's what drives him... I also believe he thinks he's doing what's right. For us, as much as himself. It may not make sense - but... if you talk to him as a man and not as 'Admin,' I feel you might see it yourself.

[ perhaps it was that naive optimism, his idealistic nature that drove Abel to trust eagerly. but he feels there's a ring of truth underneath it all. maybe if Vangeance could see it too, then... that would give them both a world of comfort. they could be allies instead of terse adversaries. ]
expio: ([ like a fairy tale...)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-24 02:48 am (UTC)(link)
[ brave? the choice of word earns him a slightly quizzical look; he isn't quite sure about that. he trusts Vangeance... and to do otherwise hadn't even crossed his mind, despite whatever professions he'd made regarding potential violence.

none-the-less, he sees the heavy pause, the consideration - and some bit of tension Abel hadn't even realized he'd been holding in his shoulders slowly dissolved. with it comes an easier sort of smile, one of gratitude - and fondness. ]


That's all I can ask for. [ Abel would hold out hope that Vangeance might be able to see something in the Admin through his own experience. if he did, maybe it would prevent them from coming to blows - and if it didn't... at least they might have come closer to some sort of understanding. ]

...And for whatever it's worth, I know you'll do what you think is right. Selflessly, at that. Maybe a little too selflessly, actually. [ it makes him more than slightly sad to think about. the edges of something weary, and resigned in Vangeance's eyes - it really pulls at him. ]

In that sense, maybe you two have more in common than is comfortable, already.
expio: (| due consternation.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-24 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
[ ...he's missing something important.

Abel can see that fact clear as day, but he can't for the life of him figure out what it is. there's an elusive piece of the puzzle hanging just out of his reach; what is it? what is he missing...? he can see it, that guilt that had begun to tread into self-hatred... what had spurned this masochistic ache? the priest doesn't understand its source, and it pains him to see it.

the self-deprecating words that follow that expression make him feel no better. and... he finds himself doing something rather uncharacteristically impulsive, in a moment like this one. ]


...You don't have to keep doing this. [ he knows he shouldn't. it isn't his place, and he's already over-stepped his boundaries. he's a veritable stranger. this man owes him nothing - no, if anything... it's Abel who owes him a debt of gratitude. he'd pulled him from the water, given him shelter... and patiently put up with him ever since.

but he can't seem to make himself stop, once he's started. it's just painful to look at. he feels like he'd go mad, if he let it be. ]


Putting that look on your face. You're smiling, but... it's like looking at a beaten dog.
expio: (| contemplate.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-24 01:56 pm (UTC)(link)
It's just as unbecoming of you to run. Please sit down; I'm not quite finished.

[ it was important. this couldn't be left half-undone, half-started. if he let him run from it, he wouldn't look himself in the eye next time he saw his reflection in the mirror. when was the last time this man had truly seen himself beneath the layers of well-practiced and painstakingly up-kept facade? ...Abel understood, perhaps better than most, what that was like. ]

I'm not speaking to you as a priest, and I can't lay claim to being a good man, either. [ he is neither of those things, in reality. ] But please don't misunderstand me. I'm not trying to be cruel. I'm not above it, however, if you don't give me a choice.
expio: ([ with kindness.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-24 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I wish you were right, Mr. Vangeance. And... for what little it's worth, the fact you can say that means much to me. It does.

[ it means this man had a kind heart that sought out belief in a simple, foolhardy priest. but he wasn't that man, and he can be cruel, and he can be unkind. the person the Knight had sat down for tea with doesn't exist; they were both just shades. specters pretending to be 'people' when they were very much something else. ]

Please sit down.

[ please. ]
expio: (| ruminate.)

[personal profile] expio 2020-11-24 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
[ he can see how difficult this is for him. every instinct has to be screaming out for Vangance to leave; it's palpable in the air, the sudden tension as his company battles with the desire to separate himself from this. it earns a great deal of respect that... in the end, the man once more takes his seat.

Abel offers an apologetic, and grateful smile; his heart aches viciously in his chest for him. ...he really does hurt to look at. ]


It's very lonely. Whatever you've resigned yourself to... it's lonely, isn't it?

[ he wants to understand. it isn't for curiosity's sake - and he knows he isn't owed the answer. but as he said... he can be cruel though his motivations are much different than they used to be. he'll demand what he has no right to. he can be many things for the sake of doing all he can to dispel that look from Vangeance's eyes. ]

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